I’m Not Trying to Cause Trouble

But if the Illuminati are running everything behind the scenes, if they’re extremely influential, etc., then why in heaven’s name would they communicate with each other via funny hand gestures on TV? The most influential people in the world communicate via hand signals and handshakes? Is there a more primitive way to communicate in the age of the Internet? And what are the hand gestures supposed to be saying? “I’m one of the Illuminati, too”? Presumably people in the know would already have access to the membership list. It doesn’t add up for me.

Anonymous

Any time I’m in a conversation with somebody and they mention the Illuminati, I just turn around and walk away.
http://twitter.com/AaronMcBroom Aaron McBroom

Just playing devils advocate here… Maybe it’s more of a pompous in your face type of mockery? Something that is just thrown at all us “lesser humans” as a sick form of gloating, not so much as an actual “secret message”?
Dave in Ann Arbor

I’m not here to start no trouble. I’m just here to do the Super Bowl Shuffle.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOC4XHc-3yw
Dorwin Dow

You don’t get it? You’re not supposed to. See, it works! ;>)
ancap

I think this is simplistic thinking with regard to the Illuminati. Are there people who consider themselves to be part of a secret society called the Illuminati? Yes, there are. Do they control everything? Of course not. Are they influential? It depends.

Beyonce and other pop stars are what you call Illuminati “wannabes”. They represent the march towards degeneracy and Satan of the masses – something I thought Christians were supposed to be concerned about.

They think displaying degenerate satanic behavior is “cool”. And they have influence on a lot of people. I think you would have to be oblivious to not see the Illuminati symbolism that these pop stars are displaying routinely.

Watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAhm-330BPU
Mr. M.

The people at tragedy and hope dot com have handled this topic in an intellectual manner. “The Illuminati” has become a term like “conspiracy theorist” – twisted and warped and intended to end discussion. There was an Illuminati – you can go to the library of congress and read a letter by G. Washington mentioning them. But what you get now is pop culture nonsense. There were secret societies – we’ve read of them at G. North’s site when he refers to Sutton’s work. All of this pop culture embrace is, in my opinion, a great way to turn discussion into farce.
Luke Sunderland

I think a better question is – if the Illuminati are real, why in the world would Beyonce be a member?
Luke Sunderland

So, in other words, no discussing the Dan Brown novel “Angels and Demons”? LOL.
ron paul

you fool. illuminati, masonry, moloch, reptilians, secret societies, all these are code words for Jewish infiltrators and saboteurs.

Arthur Burns, Greenspan, Bernanke, and 5 out of 7 current Fed board members are Jews or crypto-jews.

http://toqonline.com/archives/v11n1/TOQv11n1Lote.pdf
Anonymous

How could his intellectual life be complete???
Jake Sully

Lol, good one. Sometimes I think its a way for these entertainers to get the little folks all wound up and generate a little buzz for themselves.
http://www.facebook.com/matt.tanous Matthew Tanous

You can tell I’m part of a super secret highly influential cabal, because nothing I do makes any sense!
devo

” Is there a more primitive way to communicate in the age of the Internet?” – well these guys could be a very old society. they may have had these symbols for a long time and they may have used them way back while they were going town to town, to identify each other before the internet. and its possible that since they follow ridiculous traditions to begin with, its become a like a joke for them to do the hand symbols on tv. not saying its real or i know, this is speculative, but i could totally see a bunch of people who are so far distanced from reality do weird stuff like that for some weird reason.
Tyler

The way I see it is that there is no singular group that calls themselves the “Illuminati,” and that as you said it seems ridiculous that they would communicate through hand gestures and all that nonsense, and that music artists would be among this all-powerful group controlling everything seems equally absurd. I don’t doubt there are many rich and powerful people seeking to tailor government and society to fit their own particular ends; but then again that is what rational individuals try to do. Every individual seeks particular means tailored towards their specific ends to try to better their own situation. The rich and powerful aren’t going to be any different. I see it not as some conspiracy behind the scenes of everything, rather as just another group of economic actors trying to reach their own particular goals. Essentially an interest group.
Anonymous

Don’t get me wrong, I am aware that certain secret societies indeed existed and do exist, and their history and whatnot certainly interests me. I have no problem discussing stuff like that. However, most of the time when the subject comes up, the person I’m talking to is convinced that they are in control of the world, that it’s all sort of some bigger plan, and that everybody in government is in on it, etc. It’s the same thing with the supposed “Jewish conspiracy” that Greenbackers love to talk about, or how Peter Schiff is related to banker Jacob Schiff, or that Tom Woods is a 70 year old Jesuit, or the “lizard people” . It gets old quick, which for me is all of about 2 milliseconds.

I’m all about facts, theory, and intellectual pursuits, that’s what rows my boat. Once it starts to get into what a call “David Icke territory” (my catchall term for wackiness), that’s when I completely lose interest.
Jim

How do I sign up for this “crypto-Jew” thing? It seems like a really good career move.
Mike

Nah…it’s not Jews it’s really the Vatican and Tom Woods is a secret Jesuit agent! Wait…or is Dr. Woods a 33rd degree Mason? Ah, I forget. There are so many of these silly and paranoid accusations that I have a hard time keeping up with it.

Heck Joseph, I’ve even heard the insane accusation that Ludwig von Mises was “in on the great world conspiracy”. for some reason, this world conspiracy stuff is a freaking religious cult for some people.
Anonymous

Because she’s married to Jay-Z. Come on, man. You gotta keep up.
Ed

Perhaps it was not an Illuminati hand signal, but rather a Star Trek Anarchist Space Hippie hand signal.

http://dauntlessmedia.net/star-trek/320-the-way-to-eden-star-trek-review.html
ronpaul

go to the nearest synagogue, federal reserve branch, or social sciences department or hollywood studio and ask for an application )
Anonymous

Great referral, heres mine.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgSbaKpCjq4&feature=youtube_gdata_player
anon

Without being associated with that group, she would never had the fame and opportunities she has had. She seems like a decent person, and is among one of the many/most that are deceived by that group.
Anonymous

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Anon

Make one of your intellectual pursuits connecting the dots, and this exercise will all lead to the “bigger plan”.

How is it that Bush and Obama admin is carrying out the same exact steps as Hitler and other noteworthy tyrants? In this category of tyrants, I don’t include the tyrants estab is concerned with – like mubarak, assad, hussain, and gaddafi. How is it that the US is using the same formula that Romans did to kill their empire? The bible may have some examples of civilizations who fell because of exact things that both parties are doing.

Jewish conspiracy theorists will deny Islamic take over theorists, although the jihadists have been clearly articulating their intentions publicly for years/decades now.

I think a bit of what David Icke says is right, but this topic is way too complicated for him and I don’t think he is really getting it. I tried listening to a couple of lectures but got too bored in less than 5 min. And not everyone in gov’t is in on it, some are deceived or some ignore it or some accept it and some are the original of these schemers of this ‘big plan’.
J-Hova

Beyonce’s husband is Jehovah (J-Hova)…Roc-a-Fella records. Maybe this black mass from the grammys the night after Whitney Houston was murdered, I mean died, will tickle Tom’s fancy. You 33rd degree yet, Mr. Woods?

http://vigilantcitizen.com/musicbusiness/whitney-houston-and-the-2012-grammy-awards-mega-ritual/
dennis

If there were a vast conspiracy by the powerful, it would, no doubt, encourage conspiracy theories. Conspiracy theorists seem to believe that if we just liberated our political system from evvvvuhhlll corporashunnnns or masons, or Rockefellers or Rothschilds or whatever other Bugbear people believe in everything would be peachy keen. This allows them to pretend that organizing society around political authority is simply a bad idea. Face it folks, the problems we face aren’t the result of some secret conspiracy, it’s the nature of the state itself.
anon

Why is the “nature of the state itself”? If you can answer this question backed with facts that connect together, then you will get to the answer of a shadowy group that works behind the scenes as everything is so well organized, planned, and orchestrated. If you get rid of the thugs that cause the nature of the state the way it is, then you would have some changes due to individual bankers/politicians making decisions according to the ‘invisible hand’ versus working together like gang members.
Zack

They were singing the lyrics “the rock i’m rockin’” when she made that symbol. That’s “rock” as in diamond, which the general shape she was making. In context, it was utterly unambiguous.
ugly american

at its core “the Illuminati” / masonry , striped of the silly superstitious claptrap is a “cell system” protecting an initiation process , specifically a knighting ceremony. it is an intresting history im suprised that you havent looked in to it , with GW and most of the founders and there famlies having been masons,there use of masonry and need of a cell system says that there is more to these people going back to england and the english civil wars than has made it in to the standard histories.

being a ‘cell system” any one member will only ‘know” the person who vouched them “in” and those who they have recruted into there own cell, there IS no “list” it is a “secret society” so they in fact have no way to know who is or is not IN unless members can identify each other directly. hand shakes and gestures are the usual method. if it seems archaic it IS, if the masons can be belived they picked it up wile building solomons temple and it probly goes back all the way to pharo may be even further than that.

it may seem inconvienent BUT from a security stand point there is nothing more secure , if every one follows the rules at most only a small part of the over all group can be compromised by any single person becoming exposed.wile allowing the “cut outs” to pass info up and down the chain.

the feds curently have a prison gang on there hands “DMI” who use this system , failure to properly respond to a prompt after claiming to be a member is cause for instant exicution there “sign” is the all seeing eye.
Mr. M

We are of like mind Will – I’m a fan of Moore’s since the 80′s. I’ve seen that and I re-watch it periodically. Amazing how many intellectual nuggets are in every bit of Moore’s work.
Jack

“How is it that Bush and Obama admin is carrying out the same exact steps as Hitler and other noteworthy tyrants?”

They do what they profit on. And the empire’s dynamic is roughly the same. Thus you get an appearance of following “the plan”.
Tohm Woulds

It’s subconscious mind control. These symbols are thousands of years old and very ancient symbols of authority within the human psyche. They pyramid, the eye, etc…it’s Egyptian mystery religion symbolism. The “illumanati” is just another more recent occult group that has used them.
Anonymous

And its amazing how much his work seema to grow with you as a reader
CollinKnight

Why would a Christian wear a cross? Or a Muslim wear a Burka? Same reason…
Gamble

They love to talk about every conspiracy under the sun, yet they ignore the elected tyrants increasing tax rates… I think the weirdoes are actually statist throwing up tiny little false flags. The more time of ours they can waste, the less time we have to fight taxes and inflation…