NEVER!!!!

Wrong. The economy will most likely collapse in the next 4 years (probably sooner) no matter which major party is elected. If you vote for Romney, the Republicans will get the blame and it will be the end of the Grand Ole Party. Not that I mind that, however.

Voting for the lesser of two evils or voting for the non-evil gary Johnson. I like how the article says “Libertarians don’t compromise” in an article asking Libertarian Republicans to compromise.

I found it interesting that Glenn Beck recommended that we vote
for Mr. Romney because we know where OBAMA stands on issues. He even
said he doesn’t know what we’ll get with Mitt Romney, but that we should
vote for him. What nonsense…
When I think of Ron Paul, I think of the troops, and for Glenn Beck
to ask Ron Paul supporters to get something through their “puny little
heads” is downright insulting.
I WILL NOT HAVE ROMNEY OR OBAMA SHOVED DOWN MY THROAT. PERIOD. You
can vote with the banks if you want, but I will vote with the troops.
Gary Johnson 2012. Please Dr. Paul, give Mr. Johnson a boost – endorse him, travel to the college campuses with him.

Either way, if a candidate wants someone’s vote, they have to earn it, and this kind of manipulative logic, suggesting if we don’t vote for Romney we’re voting for Obama, isn’t going to make many converts. It’s ironic that candidates will go out of their way to patronize specific groups to earn their vote and practically walk on egg shells to avoid offending them, but paleoconservative/libertarians are told to shut up and vote for them or someone worse will step in.

I actualy tried to respond to basically the same arguments made in an article on GlennBeck.com, but was unable to, anonymously. Here’s the article, for reference:

Glenn to Ron Paul supporters: Ron Paul is NOT RUNNING!
http://www.glennbeck.com/2012/09/17/glenn-to-ron-paul-supporters-ron-paul-is-not-running/

And here’s what I tried to respond with:

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A Ron Paul supporter, here.

First of all, let me get some points out of the way that we agree on, so that we can focus squarely on the other issues.

– Glenn is a hero for exposing the Marxists for us, and for showing that they are willing to work with the radical Muslims to attempt to destroy the free market.

– Obama is a Marxist who wants to replace what he believes is a free market in America with a global Communism, as per his buddy Bill Ayers’ Weather Underground manifesto.

– Romney is not a Marxist.

– Paul Ryan is not a Marxist.

With those out of the way, let me explain why I will write in Ron Paul in November.

In spite of Romney not being a Marxist, his policies are; The man does not understand economics, in spite of his business experience (not synonymous, btw), and, like Bush Jr., Romney’s unintentionally Marxist economics will end up handing the Left a seeming ideological victory over free market principles. Consider:

Mitt Romney Open To Value Added Tax (VAT) !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsMIa6E_KUk

(CATO says that the VAT is the “fast track to a European Welfare State”; You’ll notice that the 2012 Republican Platform toys around with the idea of a value added tax.)

Romney supports automatic hikes in minimum wage
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/02/01/romney-supports-automatic-hikes-in-minimum-wage/

Romney and Obama are VERY similar on government interventions in Health Care, Gun Control, Bail Outs, the unconstitutional provision in the 2012 NDAA, and more.

Romney Obama the Same?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWDJEc92d38

Romney said he wants everyone in the country to be mandated to have insurance. Yes, he did; Play the video. It’s the first thing addressed.

Romney said the TARP bailouts were necessary (as did Paul Ryan, as I’ll show).

Romney said he would have signed the 2012 NDAA as written, with the unconstitutional provision for indefinite detention.

Romney said that we have to keep crazies from getting guns. And if you’re a Republican who is inclined to hold this view, you’re not a Constitutionalist. The point of the 2nd Amendment is to be able to threaten our government if it becomes tyrannical; So the government doesn’t actually get to decide who is crazy on matters of gun rights.

The next point I’d like to raise is that Romney just can not be trusted. He has flipped on MANY issues.

That’s not an exaggeration, either. The following video is 19 minutes of absolute devastation:

The Ultimate Mitt Romney Flip-Flop Collection
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_pgfWK3sxw

Further, on this issue – and this relates to what the OP said about Romney begging the Fed not to do more QE – Romney apparently told Rand Paul, during the campaign, that he was for auditing the Fed, and this was supposed to be a reason Ron Paul supporters to unite behind Romney;

But for what reason, I don’t know, since he still thinks Ben Bernanke is a student of monetary policy and of the Great Depression and has helped us recover from the 2007 housing market crash!

Rand Paul Is A Horrible Liar & Ron Paul DO NOT Endorse Obamney !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8g5e1-7fLFs

Romney is not aware that the Fed was the CAUSE of our economic destruction.

See, this is why Romney will be an absolute disaster. He believes it’s government’s job to help the economy out of depressions. He will not be able to help but to increase the size of government, even if he doesn’t want to – just like we saw Paul Ryan do when TARP was up for vote.

And, again, Romney is on record as saying the bailouts were necessary, proving he is absolutely clueless about economics.

And like I said before, this is in spite of his business experience, which I want to touch on, now.

Remember that Ron Paul came out in defense of Romney’s restructurings/layoffs at Bain, saying that Romney’s critics didn’t understand the free market:

Ron Paul Defends Romney, Lashes Out at His Critics
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/01/abc-exclusive-ron-paul-defends-romney-lashes-out-at-his-critics/

There was nothing wrong with what Romney did. (And if Romney has money overseas that’s not being taxed, then good for him – we all need to be free of taxes.)

But when it comes to assessing government’s role in the economy, Romney is destructively wrong. He’s a Keynesian on monetary policy (like Obama), and a Corporatist on fiscal policy.

(Business men – even super duper awesome mega rich business men – don’t have any control over monetary or fiscal policy [unless government's in bed with them]; So we should have little expectation that, by virtue of one’s business successes, a business man would know what those policies should be.)

Again, he believes that it’s government’s job to help the economy. This is why Romney cannot help but hold essentially Marxist economic policies, even if he hates Marxism. Marxism and Corporatism are essentially the same thing: Socialism:

Government cannot be run like a business
http://dailycaller.com/2012/02/27/government-cannot-be-run-like-a-business/?print=1

I Wouldn’t Hire Ron Paul…
http://lewrockwell.com/goyette/goyette23.1.html

Corporatism Is Not the Free Market
http://reason.com/archives/2012/02/03/corporatism-is-not-the-free-market/singlepage

The Vampire Economy and the Market
http://mises.org/daily/5963/The-Vampire-Economy-and-the-Market

Moving briefly on to Paul Ryan.

Paul Ryan, like Romney (and Bush and Obama), believed that the bailouts were necessary to get us out of a depression:

Paul Ryan BEGS Congress to Pass TARP ( PATHETIC )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RyJBZYz858M

But they were all wrong because they hold to a Keynesian view of the Great Depression, as this article explains:

Is Budget Austerity Modern-Day Hooverism?
http://mises.org/daily/5215/Is-Budget-Austerity-ModernDay-Hooverism

Paul Ryan doesn’t know that he actually did the same thing Hoover did, which is why our economy has not yet recovered.

Yes, without the government interventions after the housing crash, there would have been some difficult short term pain as those sectors of the economy which were previously artificially stimulated liquidated their bad debts; but this is a necessary correction.

By putting off the full correction, which requires government to get out of the way, Congress has made the eventual, inevitable full correction that much more painful:

Why You’ve Never Heard of the Great Depression of 1920 | Thomas E. Woods, Jr.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czcUmnsprQI

The next thing I want to bring up is that the Ron Paul didn’t lose – he was cheated …:

Eugene Dokes interviewed by Jamie Allman on Allman in the Morning
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_brWibusrf8

Bryan Spencer Speaks about Rigging St. Charles Caucus
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuQIMfMVMYg

Media Says Ron Paul Wins Six States, Qualifying for Nomination. Romney Breaks Rules to Deny Speaking Slot.
http://ralphlopez.hubpages.com/hub/Media-Reports-Ron-Paul-Wins-Five-States-to-Qualify-for-Nomination-Romney-Tries-to-Deny-Speaking-Slot

VA Delegation Bus being Redirected away from Convention to prevent them from voting against Rules Committee Power Grab
http://www.dailypaul.com/251570/va-delegation-bus-being-redirected-away-from-convention-to-prevent-them-from-voting-against-rules-committee-power-grab

Paul gets six petitions but falls short of having his name added to RNC ballot
http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2012/aug/28/paul-gets-needed-petitions-have-his-name-added-rnc/

Article: “At the last moment, Paul supporters handed the petitions to the convention secretary. Then, the convention voted to adopt the eight-state rule, crushing the Paul effort.”

… and blacked out:

Indecision 2012 – Corn Polled Edition – Ron Paul & the Top Tier
Even when the media does remember Ron Paul, it’s only to reassure themselves that there’s no need to remember Ron Paul.
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-august-15-2011/indecision-2012—corn-polled-edition—ron-paul—the-top-tier

Media asks: Where Is Ron Paul? – Youtube answers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYFWOyCevYA

So, Romney not only believes a lot of the same things as Obama, but he was not duly chosen by the RNC as their nominee.

I want to briefly address Ron Paul’s foreign policy, because Republicans STILL think he would be dangerous for our country.

Ron Paul talked about the danger of Islamic fundamentalists BEFORE Glenn Beck, and how our foreign policy was helping them:

War and the Constitution | Ron Paul
(From 1998)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qo4kdGhsbls#t=34m36s

Ron Paul also believes that …

… the Persian Gulf Wars were unconstitutional …:

Another United Nations War?
http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul79.html

… Clinton killed Arab civilians in unconstitutional wars …:

Ron Paul Predicted 9/11 a Decade Ago!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hJTisovvjc

… our CIA enacted a coup against Iran for British oil interests …:

Is Ron Paul serious? Blowback in 1979 from a 1953 coup?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldgbOxDX6DE

… that the attack on the U.S. Consulate in Libya is blowback for us occupying their country (Even Republicans should be able to tell that Obama’s war in Libya was unconstitutional!), and that America helped to create al Qaeda when we stuck our noses into Afghanistan’s war with the Russians:

Ron Paul’s Texas Straight Talk 9/17/12: Consequences of an Interventionist Foreign Policy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CU5EnCnMGYQ

And lest you think that Ron Paul’s foreign policy is like that of the ’60s radicals anti-war protests: where is all of Bill Ayers’ terrorism as a result of Obama’s unconstitutional war in Libya?

The reason you don’t hear a peep out of him about it is because Marxists are only anti-war when they perceive it as advancing “capitalist exploitation”.

Our war in Libya, on the other hand, is seen by them as advancing global communism, in that they are trying to turn the rest of the world against the great so-called “capitalist exploiter”, America.

(Corporatism is the result of Marxist policies, by the way; thank you very much.)

Ron Paul is a non-interventionist, unless we’re attacked. This is a different philosophy from the Marxists’ ’60s anti-war movement (though Vietnam was unconstitutional, as well).

And finally, Gary Johnson is a Keynesian like Obama and Romney, and holds significant interventionist beliefs, so I won’t vote for him, either:

Just How Libertarian is Gary Johnson?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTch7InkZjo

In summary, Romney and Obama are very similar, Paul Ryan supports Keynesian interventions like Obama, Ron Paul was cheated and blacked out, and Gary Johnson isn’t a Constitutionalist.

Ron Paul Write-in 2012!

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Time for Ron Paul fans to support the Constitution?
Obvious option: The Constitution Party
With Ron gone, Virgil is as Goode as it gets.Pity he’s not Chuck!

So somehow funding al-Qaeda as “good guys” was not naive?!?!

Communist Van Jones, former Green Jobs Czar (who says he’s not a Communist, anymore), has said:

“I’m willing to forgo the cheap satisfaction of the radical pose for the deep satisfaction of radical ends.”

Here’s the reference:

The New Face of Environmentalism
http://www.eastbayexpress.com/gyrobase/the-new-face-of-environmentalism/Content?oid=1079539&showFullText=true

And, as it so happens, I tried to post a response to Gary North’s article, to which you refer, showing how Obama has expressed the same mentality as Van Jones.

Obama’s and Jones’s goals are Marxist, but their means are roundabout.

Here is the Gary North article you referenced:

Obama’s Brand of Marxism
http://teapartyeconomist.com/2012/09/04/obamas-brand-of-marxism/

And here is that with which I wanted to reply:

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When Obama was campaigning, he told the AFL-CIO that his goal was a single-payer system for health care.

Obama on single payer health insurance
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpAyan1fXCE

NPHR’s Roger Wood reported, on April 3, 2007, in an article titled “Obama Holds Health Care Forum in Portsmouth”, which has since been removed from the NHPR.org web site, the following:

(The original link was: http://www.nhpr.org/node/12592)

“The 46 year old senator told an audience of about 150 people in Portsmouth that he believes he can build support for universal health insurance by the end of his first term as president.

“But Obama also conceded that changing the nation’s present health care policy will be difficult.

“”Transitioning a system is a very difficult and costly and lengthy enterprise. It’s not like you can turn on a switch and you go from one system to another.”"

The AP, via MSN.com, in a story that had, at the time, been updated on April 6, 2007, said:

Obama says U.S. ready for health care reform
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17980179/

“Obama said if he was starting from zero, he would likely support a single-payer system, similar to the government-run program in Canada. But he’s leery of taking such a step because the United States already has a complex and established system of employer-based health coverage.

“He said that the country is already moving toward a government-based health system.

“”The government is already covering half the people,” said Obama, noting that Medicare, Medicaid and veterans health systems cover a vast number of Americans.”

And Representative John Conyers has admitted that the intended function of Obamacare would be to serve as a transitional platform for a single-payer system:

Conyers: Obamacare Is ‘Platform’ for Creating Single-Payer System
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/conyers-obamacare-platform-creating-single-payer-system

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Schlichter is being sarcastic. He must be. There is no other explanation. Saying what he said and trying to pass it off as serious would be insulting to anyone with basic intelligence.

I consider the constitution meaningless, but assuming it wasn’t; Other than wanting to further rip it to shreds, what does Romney have to do with the constitution? And seeing as how Obama and Romney have pretty much the same policies anyway, I don’t know how voting why voting for either would matter.

If he actually wanted to make a serious comment, he should have said, “If you hate humanity, vote for Romney/Obama.”

Romney does not even try to earn my vote. He wants to be entitled to it.. Considering his recent remarks, that is EPIC LOL.
For Romney to be in the game for my vote he needs to energetically support

1 full and complete audit of the fed

2 cut across the board spending including Pentagon

3 Promise never to use an executive order

4 repeal Obama care and replace it with nothing

5 bring our troops home from every where

6 end all foreign aide.

7 support the opt of of entitlements.

8 never commit military action with out Congressional declaration.
Those are just to get in the game for my vote.

I couldn’t stop myself. I had to satirize this:
http://www.jeremyrhammond.com/2012/09/20/time-for-ron-paul-fans-to-stop-supporting-the-constitution/

After 6 years of pissing onto the face of Ron Paul by the GOP and the Romney camp, Ron Paul Fans should just embrace it..

I’m curious, Tom, since Romney wouldn’t know the Constitution if it smothered him, why would anyone tell Ron Paul (fans?) supporters to support him? Romney said he wanted to keep parts of ObamaCare. How’s that supporting the Constitution. I agree that Obama must be fired, but the only candidate in the race who cares about the Constitution at all is Gary Johnson. Why aren’t you supporting him?