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Why the Greenbackers Are Wrong

This is a long piece, but no longer than strictly necessary. It refutes a few of the most common claims advanced by Greenbackers, opponents of the Fed who believe the solution is to transfer its money-creation monopoly directly to the government.

One of Ron Paul’s great accomplishments is that the Federal Reserve faces more opposition today than ever before. Readers of this site will be familiar with the arguments: the Fed enjoys special government privileges; its interference with market interest rates gives rise to the boom-bust business cycle; it has undermined the value of the dollar; it creates moral hazard, since market participants know the money producer can bail them out; and it is unnecessary to and at odds with a free-market economy.

Unfortunately, not all Fed critics, even among Ron Paul supporters, approach the problem in this way. A subset of the end-the-Fed crowd opposes the Fed for peripheral or entirely wrongheaded reasons. For this group, the Fed is not inflating enough. (I have been told by one critic that our problem cannot be that too much money is being created, since he doesn’t know anyone who has too many Federal Reserve Notes.) Their other main complaints are (1) that the Fed is “privately owned” (the Fed’s problem evidently being that it isn’t socialistic enough), (2) that fiat money is just fine as long as it is issued by the people’s trusty representatives instead of by the Fed, and (3) that under the present system we are burdened with what they call “debt-based money”; their key monetary reform, in turn, involves moving to “debt-free money.” These critics have been called Greenbackers, a reference to fiat money used during the Civil War. (A fourth claim is that the Austrian School of economics, which Ron Paul promotes, is composed of shills for the banking system and the status quo; I have exploded this claim already – here, here, and here.)

With so much to cover I don’t intend to get into (1) right now, but it should suffice to note that being created by an act of Congress, having your board’s personnel appointed by the U.S. president, and enjoying government-granted monopoly privileges without which you would be of no significance, are not the typical features of a “private” institution. I’ll address (2) and (3) throughout what follows.

The point of this discussion is to refute the principal falsehoods that circulate among Greenbackers: (a) that a gold standard (either 100 percent reserve or fractional reserve) or the Federal Reserve’s fiat money system yields an outcome in which outstanding loans cannot all be paid because there is “not enough money” to pay both the principal and the interest; (b) that if the banks are allowed to issue loans at interest they will eventually wind up with all the money; and that the only alternative is “debt-free” fiat paper money issued by government.

My answers will be as follows: (1) the claim that there is “not enough money” to pay both principal and interest is false, regardless of which of these monetary systems we are considering; and (2) even if “debt-free” money were the solution, the best producer of such money is the free market, not Nancy Pelosi or John McCain.

To understand what the Greenbackers have in mind with their proposed “debt-free money,” and what they mean by the phrase “money as debt” they use so often, let’s look at the money creation process in the kind of fractional-reserve fiat money system we have. Suppose the Fed engages in one of its “open-market operations” and purchases government securities from one of its primary dealers. The Fed pays for this purchase by writing a check on itself, out of thin air, and handing it to the primary dealer. That primary dealer, in turn, deposits the check into its bank account – at Bank A, let us say.

Bank A doesn’t just sit on this money. The current system practically compels it to use that money as the basis for credit expansion. So if $10,000 was deposited in the bank, some $9,000 or so will be lent out – to Borrower C. So Borrower C now has $9,000 in purchasing power conjured out of thin air, while Person B can still write checks on his $10,000.
This is why the Greenbackers speak of “money as debt.” The $9,000 that Bank A created in our example entered the economy in the form of a loan to Person B. In our system the banks are not allowed to print cash, but they can do what from their point of view is the next best thing: create checking deposits out of thin air. Banks issue loans out of thin air by opening up a checking account for the customer, whose balance is created out of nothing, in the amount of the loan.

The Greenbacker complaint is this: when the fractional-reserve bank creates that $9,000 loan at (for example) ten percent interest, it expects $900 in interest payments at the end of the loan period. But if the bank created only the $9,000 for the loan itself and not the $900 that will eventually be owed in interest, where is that extra $900 supposed to come from?

At first this may seem like no problem. The borrower just needs to come up with an extra $900 by working more or consuming less. But this is no answer at all, according to the Greenbacker. Since all money enters the system in the form of loans to someone – recall how our fractional-reserve bank increased the money supply, by making a loan out of thin air – this solution merely postpones the problem. The whole system consists of loans for which only the principal was created. And since the banks create only the principal amounts of these loans and not the extra money needed to pay the interest, there just isn’t enough money for everyone to pay off their debts all at once.

And so the problem with the current system, according to them, is that our money is “debt based,” entering the economy as a debt owed to a bank. They prefer a system in which money is created “debt free” – i.e., printed by the government and spent directly into the economy, rather than lent into existence via loans by the banks.

In the comments section at my blog I have been told by a critic that even under a 100% gold standard, with no fractional-reserve banking, the charging of interest still involves asking borrowers to do what is literally impossible for them all to do at once, or at the very least will invariably lead to a situation in which the banks wind up with all the money.

All these claims are categorically false.

It is not true that “there is not enough money to pay the interest” under a gold standard or a purely free-market money, and it is not even true under the kind of fractional-reserve fiat paper system we have now. It certainly isn’t true that “the banks will wind up with all the money.” There are plenty of reasons to condemn the present banking system, but this isn’t one of them. The Greenbackers are focused on an irrelevancy, rather like criticizing Barack Obama for his taste in men’s suits.

I want to respond to this claim under both scenarios: (1) a 100% gold standard with no fractional reserves; and (2) our present fractional-reserve, fiat-money system.

In order to do so, let’s recall what money is and where it comes from.

Money emerges from the primitive system of barter, in which people exchange goods directly for one another: cheese for paper, shoes for apples. This is an obviously clumsy system, because (among a great many other reasons I trust readers can conjure for themselves) paper suppliers are not necessarily in the market for cheese, and vice versa.

A money economy, on the other hand, is one in which goods are exchanged indirectly for each other: instead of having to be a hat-wanting basketball owner in the possibly vain search for a basketball-wanting hat owner, the basketball owner instead exchanges his basketball for whatever is functioning as money – gold and silver, for example – and then exchanges the money for the hat he wants.

People dissatisfied with the awkward and ineffective system of barter perceive that if they can acquire a more widely desired and more marketable good than the one they currently possess, they are more likely to find someone willing to exchange with them. That more marketable good will tend to have certain characteristics: durability, divisibility, and relatively high value per unit weight. And the more that good begins to be used as a common medium of exchange, the more people who have no particular desire for it in and of itself will be eager to acquire it anyway, because they know other people will accept it in exchange for goods. In that way, gold and silver (or whatever the money happens to be) evolve into full-fledged media of exchange, and eventually into money (which is defined as the most widely accepted medium of exchange).

Money, therefore, emerges spontaneously as a useful commodity on the market. The fact that people desire it for the services it directly provides contributes to its marketability, which leads people to use it in exchange, which in turn makes it still more marketable, because now it can be used both for direct use as well as indirectly as a medium of exchange.

Note that there is nothing in this process that requires government, its police, or any form of monopoly privilege. The Greenbackers’ preferred system, in which money is created by a monopoly government, is completely foreign and extraneous to the natural evolution of money as we have here described it.

And make no mistake: money has to emerge the way we have described it. It cannot emerge for the first time as government-issued fiat paper. Whenever we think we’ve encountered an example in history of a pure fiat money being imposed by the state, a closer look always turns up some connection between that money and a pre-existing money, which is either itself a commodity or in turn traceable to one.

For one thing, pieces of paper with politicians’ faces on them are not saleable goods. They have no use value, and therefore could not have emerged from barter as the most marketable goods in society.

Second, even if government did try to impose a paper money issued from nothing on the people, it could not be used as a medium of exchange or a tool of economic calculation because no one could know what it was worth. Are three Toms worth one apple or seven fur coats? How could anyone know?

On the other hand, the money chosen by the market can be used as a medium of exchange and a tool of economic calculation. During the process in which it went from being just another commodity into being the money commodity, it was being offered in barter exchange for all or most other goods. As a result, an array of barter prices in terms of that good came into existence. (For simplicity’s sake, in this essay we’ll imagine gold as the commodity that the market chooses as money.) People can recall the gold-price of clocks, the gold-price of butter, etc., from the period of barter. The money commodity isn’t some arbitrary object to which government coerces the public into assigning value. Ordering people to believe that worthless pieces of paper are valuable is a difficult enough job, but then expecting them to use this mysterious, previously unknown item to facilitate exchanges without any pre-existing prices as a basis for economic calculation is absurd.

Of course, fiat moneys exist all over the world today, so it seems at first glance as if what I have just argued must be false. Evidently governments have been able to introduce paper money out of nothing.

This is where Murray Rothbard’s work comes in especially handy. In his classic little book What Has Government Done to Our Money? he builds upon the analysis of Ludwig von Mises and concisely describes the steps by which a commodity chosen by the people through their voluntary market exchanges is transformed into an altogether different monetary system, based on fiat paper.

The steps are roughly as follows. First, society adopts a commodity money, as described above. (As I noted above, for ease of exposition we’ll choose gold, but it could be whatever commodity the market selects.) Government then monopolizes the production and certification of the gold. Paper notes issued by banks or by governments that can be redeemed in a given weight of gold begin to circulate as a convenient substitute for carrying gold coins. These money certificates are given different names in different countries: dollars, pounds, francs, marks, etc. These national names condition the public to think of the dollar (or the pound or whatever) rather than the gold itself as the money. Thus it is less disorienting when the final step is taken and the government confiscates the gold to which the paper certificates entitle their holders, leaving the people with an unbacked paper money.

This is how unbacked paper money comes into existence. It begins as a convertible substitute for a commodity like gold, and then the government takes the gold away. It continues to circulate even without the gold backing because people can recall the exchange ratios that existed between the paper money and other goods in the past, so the paper money is not being imposed on them out of nowhere.

Free-market money, therefore, is commodity money. And commodity money is not “debt-based” money. When a gold miner produces gold and takes that gold to the mint to be transformed into coins, he simply spends the money into the economy. So free-market money does not enter the economy as a loan. It is an example of the “debt-free money” the Greenbackers are supposed to favor. I strongly suspect that many of them have never thought the problem through to quite this extent. If what they favor is “debt-free money,” why do they automatically assume it must be produced by the state? For consistency’s sake, they should support all forms of debt-free money, including money that takes the form of a good voluntarily produced on the market and without any form of monopoly privilege.

The free-market’s form of “debt-free money” also doesn’t require a government monopoly, or rely on the preposterously naive hope that the government production of “interest-free money” will be carried out without corruption or in a non-arbitrary way. (Any “monetary policy” that interferes with or second-guesses the stock of money that the voluntary array of exchanges known as the free market would produce is arbitrary.)

But now what of the Greenbacker claim that interest payments, of their very nature, cannot be paid by all members of society simultaneously?

This is clearly not true of a society in which money production is left to the market. The Greenbacker complaint about interest payments in a fractional-reserve system is that the banks create a loan’s principal out of thin air, and that because they don’t also create the amount of money necessary to pay the interest charges as well, the collective sum of loan payments (principal and interest) cannot be made. Some people, the Greenbackers concede, can pay back their loans with interest, but not everyone.

But this is not what happens in the situation we have been describing, in which the money is chosen spontaneously and voluntarily by the individuals in society, and in which government plays no role. Money in this truly laissez-faire system is spent into the economy once it is produced, not lent into existence out of thin air, so there is no problem of “debt-based money” yielding a situation in which “there is not enough money to pay the interest.” There is no “debt” created at any point in the process of money production on the free market in the first place. The free market gives us “debt-free money,” but the Greenbackers do not want it.

Suppose I, a banker, lend you ten ounces of gold, at ten percent interest. Next year you will owe me 11 ounces: ten ounces for the principal, and one ounce for the interest. Where do you earn the money to pay me the interest? Either by abstaining from consumption to that extent and saving up the money, or by earning it through providing goods or services to others. In other words, you earn the money to pay the interest the same way you earn the money to pay for anything else.

(Even under the classical gold standard, in which gold backed only some of the paper money in circulation, there is still a portion of the money supply – namely, the money substitutes that have gold backing – that were not lent into existence, and which can therefore serve as the source of interest payments.)

Although the “there isn’t enough money to pay the interest” argument fails, I want to take up a related warning about sound money – a warning I noted at the beginning of this essay – that I read in the comments section of my blog: moneylending at interest by the banks will yield a long-run outcome in which the bankers have all the money.

The argument runs like this: if banks can lend 1000 ounces of gold today and earn 100 ounces in interest (assuming a 10 percent rate of interest) at the end of the loan period, then in the next period they’ll have a new total of 1100 ounces to lend out, and in turn they can earn 110 in interest on that. Then they’ll have a total of 1210 ounces, and when they lend that out they’ll earn 121 ounces in interest. In the next period they’ll have 1331 (which is 1210 plus the 121 they earned in interest in the previous period) ounces, etc. Eventually, they’ll have everything.

This is completely wrong, although even if it were right, presumably even bankers need to buy things at one point or another, so the money would be recirculated into the economy in any case. The money commodity itself rarely yields people so much utility that they will hold it at the expense of food, water, clothing, shelter, entertainment, etc. And when it is recirculated, the same money can be used to make interest payments on multiple loans.

The more important reason that red flags should be going up here is that this warning would apply to any business, not just banking. For example, if Apple sells us great electronic equipment, it earns profits. Those profits allow it to invest in more efficient production processes, which means Apple will be able to produce even more and better computers and other devices next year. If we buy those, Apple will have still more profits, which means they’ll be able to produce still more and better products the year after that, and before you know it, Apple will have all our money.

So what’s left out of these scenarios? Demand. Consumers do not have an infinite demand for electronic products. If Apple keeps producing more iPods, it will have to sell them at lower and lower prices in order to induce us to buy them. This is economics 101 – the law of demand, derived in turn from the law of marginal utility. The more electronics I buy, the less utility I derive from additional units of such goods (and thus the less eager I am to purchase more). Meanwhile, as my remaining cash balance is depleted by these purchases, the marginal utility of my remaining money increases (and thus the more eager I am to hold on to that money rather than exchange it for still more consumer electronics).

The same goes for consumer (and producer) loans. The Greenbacker objection assumes that demand for loans is infinite. Like zombies, we’ll continue to demand loans no matter what the interest rate, and banks will always be able to find more people willing to take on more credit. But as we saw above, in order to induce us to absorb a greater supply of Apple electronics, and/or to induce additional buyers to enter the market, the prices of those goods had to fall.

This principle holds true for credit as well. To induce us to accept an increasing supply of credit, the banks will have no choice, given the law of demand, but to lower the rate of interest. Two consequences follow. As they earn less in interest, they will be less able to afford to pay their customers competitive interest rates on savings accounts and on financial products like CDs. And as those customers turn away from the banking system in search of higher yields outside banking, the banks will have less to lend. These twin pressures place an upper limit on the amount of credit the banks can extend.

So you can breathe easy. The banks won’t wind up with all the money after all.

On the free market, the production of money would occur in the same way that the production of any other good takes place, with no money producer being granted any monopoly privilege. The average person doubtless has a difficult time imagining how money could exist without a monopoly producer. Wouldn’t everyone want to go into the money-production business? After all, you get to create money. Why, I’ll just create my own money and spend it! Isn’t that naturally more lucrative than producing other goods?

First of all, no one can expect to print pieces of paper with his face on them and spend them into circulation. Nobody would accept them, needless to say, and as we have seen, it is impossible for money to be introduced ex nihilo in this way. The only kind of money that can emerge on the free market is one that, at least at one time, had been considered a useful commodity. Paper money can come into existence on the free market and without coercion if it serves as a redemption claim for the commodity money, but irredeemable paper money cannot originate without government threats or violence.

Again, as we saw previously, the pattern is this: a commodity is freely chosen by market participants to serve as money, for convenience paper receipts fully convertible into that money begin to circulate as money substitutes, and finally the government removes the commodity backing from the paper and only the paper circulates. That is in fact what happened in the United States in 1933.

So your friend Joe shouldn’t expect in a free market to be able to print up some paper notes with his face on them and be able to exchange them for goods and services. In addition to the logical problems with this that we examined before, he’d also look crazy for even trying such a thing.

Also, as with every other industry, profit regulates production. The production of money, like the production of all other goods, settles on a normal rate of return, and is not uniquely poised to shower participants in that industry with premium profits. As more firms enter the industry, the rising demand for the factors of production necessary to produce the money puts upward pressure on the prices of those factors. Meanwhile, the increase in money production itself puts downward pressure on the purchasing power of the money produced.

In other words, these twin pressures of (1) the increasing costliness of money production and (2) the decreasing value of the money thus produced (since the more money that exists, ceteris paribus, the lower its purchasing power) serve to regulate money production in the same way they regulate the production of all other goods in the economy.

Once the gold is mined, it needs to be converted into coins for general use, and subsequently stamped with some form of reliable certification indicating the weight and fineness of those coins. Private firms perform such certification for a wide variety of goods on the free market. This service is provided for newly coined money by mints.

Banking services would exist on the free market to the extent that people valued financial intermediation, as well as the various services, such as check-writing and the safekeeping of money, that banks provided.*

The intermediation of credit consists of borrowing money from savers, pooling those funds, and using those pooled funds to extend loans to borrowers. Banks earn the interest-rate differential that exists between the rates they charge to borrowers and the rates they pay to savers. The pooling of savings and the identification of projects to which those funds can temporarily be directed is an important service in a market economy.

And as with the production of all other goods and services on the market, credit intermediation is regulated by profit. It cannot be multiplied indefinitely, as a great many Greenbacker commentators appear to believe. In the same way that high profits in any industry attract newcomers to that industry and thereby dissipate those profits, a high interest-rate differential between borrowers and savers will attract more people into credit-intermediation services. These entrants will need to pay higher interest rates to savers in order to acquire additional funds to intermediate to borrowers. Conversely, in order to attract additional borrowers they will need to lower the interest rates charged to those borrowers. These twin pressures – higher rates paid to savers, and lower rates earned from borrowers – dissipate bank profits and place an upper bound on credit intermediation activities. So again, the banks face a natural limit to their activities, and cannot earn all our money.

So far, we have considered the case of a gold standard or a pure free market in money. But under a non-market system of fiat-money and fractional-reserve banks the Greenbackers’ concerns are still misplaced. There are plenty of reasons to criticize fiat money and fractional-reserve banking, but since the case against them is undercut by false arguments, I want to take apart this particular false argument.

We know from our earlier analysis that money has to emerge on the market as a useful commodity, and that the state theory of money, whereby money has value only when and because the state declares it to have value, is untenable.

When Franklin Roosevelt confiscated Americans’ gold in 1933 and gave them paper money in exchange, this money did not enter the system “as debt.” It was a simple act of conversion of specie into paper. (Thanks to J.P. Koning for tracking down that link.) This is how all hard-money systems become fiat ones: the precious metal that backs the currency is taken away, and the people are left only with paper given to them in exchange for their metal. And since that portion of the money stock that consists of the redemption of the people’s specie into paper is not debt-based – the government is giving them the money, not lending it – it becomes a permanent portion of the overall money stock from which interest payments can be drawn. There is, therefore, always a portion of the money stock that is unconnected to any debt, so there is no built-in process even in a fractional-reserve fiat paper system by which debts must be collectively unpayable.

Under the gold standard as it existed in the United States, the banks issued both kinds of money substitutes in the Misesian typology: money certificates (paper that serves as a receipt for gold on deposit) and fiduciary media (paper that, while physically indistinguishable from money certificates, does not correspond to any gold on deposit; this is what the banks create when they want to increase the money supply beyond just the stock of gold). Only the fiduciary media would qualify as being “debt-based money,” because only the fiduciary media enters the system as new loans. The money substitutes that correspond to gold in the banks’ reserves are not debt-based. They do not enter the economy in the form of a loan. They enter the economy as receipts for gold on deposit with the banks. This portion of the money stock, too, becomes a permanent fund, even after the transition to a fiat money system, from which interest payments can be drawn.

Remember, once again, that when people pay banks interest on their loans, these interest payments themselves will in large measure be spent into the economy by employees of the bank. The same unit of money can thus be used to pay principal or interest on multiple loans as it circulates again and again. There is no reason that bankers or anyone else would want to earn profits and never spend or invest them, unless someone happens to be a fetishist deriving pleasure from literally rolling in the money itself. This is unusual.

Far and away the best defenses and descriptions of a pure free market in money are Jörg Guido Hülsmann’s book The Ethics of Money Production and Jeffrey Herbener’s astonishing 2012 congressional testimony before Ron Paul’s monetary policy subcommittee. I strongly urge you to read at least the Herbener testimony. It is beautifully written and its logic practically compels the reader’s assent. (While you’re at it, watch this video in which Professor Herbener explains why he became an Austrian mid-career, even though he stood to gain nothing professionally by doing so.)

In short, there is no need to replace the Fed with another government creation. There is no good reason to replace the Fed’s monopoly with a more directly exercised government monopoly. All we need for a sound money system are the ordinary laws of commerce and contract.

Let’s oppose the Fed for the right reasons, and let’s oppose it root and branch: not because it doesn’t create enough money out of thin air (is this really a fundamental critique of the Fed, after all?) but because the causes of freedom, social peace, and economic prosperity are at odds with any coercively imposed monopoly, and because the naive confidence in the American political class that the Greenbacker alternative demands is beneath the dignity of a free people.

(Thanks to Robert Murphy for his comments on this essay.)

*There is a tradition within the Austrian School, particularly among Rothbardians, of separating these functions of banks. Banks can act as money warehouses or as credit intermediaries, or as both. These are not the same thing. It is possible to imagine banks that offer one service or the other, as well as to conceive of banks that offer both services but distinguish sharply between them. Checking deposits, for instance, would be available to customers on demand, and so in that case the bank would be operating as a money warehouse, while savings accounts, CDs, etc., would be considered a loan to the bank, with which the bank could engage in intermediation activities.

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  • Anonymous

    Restating a fallacious statement does nothing to change its fallaciousness. Law is not dependent on a state.

  • Jim Fedako

    Looking at the free market.

    Since money is also a commodity, it’s current and future supplies are based on market forces. Bank A loans 10 grains of gold to Customer B at 10% interest, so B owes A 11 grains of gold at the end of the year. Hopefully, B has employed the gold loan in a manner that increases his production. Assuming B is a farmer who reaps 10 bushels of corn on his one and only acre, with each bushel selling one grain of gold. So, all things equal, B expects to be able to reap an additional 2 bushels this year, selling them for an additional two grains of gold, paying off the loan and keeping the rest for goods he desires.

    Of course, nothing is ever equal. Additional supply drives down the price of corn. And, to the point, the demand for gold is increased as interest comes due. This is a signal to gold miners, gold hoarders, jewelers, and folks with gold jewelry to bring additional gold to the market. So B can trade his additional bushels for that gold.

    With a commodity money, supply and demand will equilibrate. Who knows what the final prices will be, but there will be money to pay back interest.

  • http://impandins.blogspot.com/ BMeph

    Your Facebook friend (and possibly, you) is ignorant of historical money development. The State is not, nor has ever been, the guarantor of sound money. The State has been, and always will be, the money-lender’s most frequent customer, and also the most dangerous. On the one hand, the State’s power to take resources from others is an assurance that its loans will be repaid. However, its inability to stably remain in charge of a populace with the mans to resist, or to resist the incursions of rival States, makes it risky to loan money when the State is least likely to be able to repay – during times of war – since State agents can reliably use feelings of envy to justify using the State’s guns on the lender.

    The current (see what I did there) odd acceptance of paper as currency is at odds with history, where all forms of money were a reference to a particular weight of some valuable, durable material (silver, bronze and gold being the most popular in Europe). Only with the rise of the modern state, and its talent at changing the principals, without changing its principles, so to speak, have people been weaned away from the idea that money is supposed to be “real stuff, not printed ink on a page.”

    tl;dr – “Governments” are the ones that threaten stable money the most. Also, the Byzantine bezant (actually a Roman solidus) was historically the best solution – literally a thousand years at the same weight and value. It really doesn’t matter how the monetary system is set up, as long as the bankers can be protected from being pressured by State agents to “donate generously.”

  • Zorg

    One thorny issue for me is the way money is defined. People often argue past each other because they have slightly different things in mind. If we define money as the most marketable good, then obviously money is a commodity. But this is used largely in theory to explain the past. If we define money as a medium of exchange, then it doesn’t necessarily have to be a commodity.

    If you think of money as the most marketable good which became the medium of exchange, then you say that only commodity money can emerge from a free market. But if you simply focus on the aspect of an exchange mechanism, then a monetary system can be introduced to a free market without also having to be a marketable good apart from its exchange utility (Bitcoin for example). These two qualities (a marketable good and exchange utility) don’t have to exist together as indivisible qualities of the same thing.

    An example of non-commodity money is found in barter networks that use “Barter Bucks” or whatever. These are basically dollar substitutes now, which means they are gold/silver substitutes by way of the dollar, but I don’t see why they’d have to necessarily be. If you’re exchanging goods in a barter network, you can treat money merely as a unit of account within the network – a credit or debit. No matter what world you are in, people are going to know the relative value of goods based on the previous or prevailing monetary system. And even without that history, barter provides a knowledge of relative exchange value, rough though it may be initially.

    The problem with such a system is that is a system and not a good. Once commodity money is exchanged for a product, the deal is done and both parties can walk away. You don’t need a system to track anything. It’s clean and simple. It also protects anonymity as no one else need be involved except buyer and seller.
    There is no third party.

    But I wonder if the future of money will not see specialization into one or another of the several functions that money is said to have always had. You may have digital systems that are highly efficient at exchanging goods simply using a unit of account, and then a parallel system of commodity money which is used for savings and larger exchanges.

    A novel digital currency can be sold like any other product. It doesn’t have to fulfill every aspect of the traditional definition of money. It might attract customers who are interested primarily in one particular feature such as anonymity. That becomes “the product,” and not any notion of the thing being a marketable good in itself. In the digital universe, value can be found in many different things. I’ve heard that virtual currencies exist in gaming environments that people in that world then trade offline because they value status within the game so highly.

    So I think we need to make a distinction between an historical theory of money (how it emerged from barter) and the possibilities of specialized monetary functions which might emerge in the future. Perhaps “money” has historically been a bundle of functions, and now we can un-bundle it through computers, networks, math.

  • Gamble

    I do not condone IP, or lengthy patent and copy rights. The
    Framers said a limited time for advancement of science and arts. Not 75 years
    or more for everything.

    I do not advocate a “public” Fed reserve. The Fed Reserve is
    currently a branch of The Federal Government therefore is public.

    I do not advocate MMT and all new money entering as State
    spending.

    With that being said, the current system does rely on the
    concept of debt money. IF all loans were repaid, there would be no money. This
    can’t be a good system. There should be money as substitute for barter not money
    as substitute for debt. See the difference?

    I also think banks ( aka State), will eventually have most property
    because of foreclosure not interest accumulation.

    Finally Tom underestimates the demand of money (loans) because
    without a loan you have no money and without money you cannot barter.

    I am no green backer yet I have real criticism of the
    current Global Digital Fiat Frac System.

    Tom please do not wage war with us Austrians. We may not have
    it all figured out, but we are on the same team. Don’t make this like the
    Rand/Rothbard split. We need to stay together.

    The State wants us to in fight and destroy one and other.

  • http://www.opednews.com/author/author24983.html Scott Baker

    Baloney. Go to the Positive Money sites, or to the articles I wrote, or read Stephen Zarlenga’s “The Lost History of Money” or Henry George, or what Lincoln had to say about the necessity of creating money when the banks wanted to charge usurious rates.
    You can side with the banks if you want, but don’t pretend that is freedom.
    You don’t earn the interest to pay off your debt, you take it from someone else who borrowed principal from a bank, somewhere down the road. It’s a game of musical chairs, and someone won’t be able to pay back the money that was never created. This is how banks continue to get rich, by living off the productive sector.
    BTW, if you really want to have freedom in monetary choices, support Local Exchange Transaction Systems (LETS) too, like Berkshire Bucks, so long as they are ultimately convertible to legal tender for paying taxes.
    Money is, as Aristotle recognized, a “legal creation” and its value is controlled by the quantity of it, nothing more.

  • http://www.opednews.com/author/author24983.html Scott Baker

    Hmm, interesting. He basically agrees with me:
    “Only a government should create money/capital, as the U. S. Constitution originally intended.” This is Art. 1, Sec. 8 of course.

    It’s a long piece and I didn’t read it all, but it sounds like the Greenbacker position to me. There are a lot of us now. Byron Dale and Keith Gardner are two more. Bill Still, filmmaker and former Libertarian presidential candidate is another (I met him when he spoke at the first Public Banking conference in April; smart fellow – see “The Money Masters” and “The Secret of OZ” both award-winning documentaries are available online now).

  • http://www.opednews.com/author/author24983.html Scott Baker

    Oh sure, let’s fire all the gov’t workers and see what that does to the unemployment stats….
    This is really just too silly to respond to.

  • http://plenarchist.wordpress.com/ plenarchist

    You just make an assertion… “Law is not dependent on a state.” Make an argument else we just have to agree to disagree.

  • konst

    I didn’t say anything about firing anyone. The rest of the comment is plainly clear.

  • http://www.realliberalchristianchurch.org Tom Usher

    “…temporarily suspend your cognitive dissonance…”? And when did you stop beating your wife? Scott has analyzed the Austrian School and come to the proper conclusion that it’s bunkum. Here’s a good video for you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=GLnhjfH3wbg

    The most important moment in that video is when Steve Keen shows that military Keynesianism ended the depression but more so when someone else mentions that such spending does not have to be for military but can be for peaceful purposes — same result only better.

    Your Austrian School is vote with a dollar. It’s democracy with those with the most money having the most votes. Doing things through government is vote with one vote per person (except that those with more money still get more say via bribes — campaign financing, etc.).

    As purists, so-called, you want us to trust capitalists more than our elected officials. However, we want better controls on all of them and you. It’s called regulations because laissez-faire capitalists cannot be trusted, which is inherent in the spirit of capitalism.

    If we have to choose between purisms, why would we choose your so-called definition of capitalism and that it is the better and best way? If there are options, and there are, we don’t want to opt for your austerity and scarcity. Neither is necessary at all.

  • Anonymous

    First I’d have to ask you to backup your original assertions that there can be no law without a state.

  • http://www.opednews.com/author/author24983.html Scott Baker

    A good new video on how money is made from the positive money people: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=d3mfkD6Ky5o#!
    Maybe people will open their minds to economists who already have.

  • guest

    It’s difficult to fight the State when you’re advocating that which allows them to violate our rights.

    Please consider this short video. It’s not the Fed, PER SE, that’s the problem; but rather it’s the ability to coercively monopolize artificial-credit creation:

    War and the Fed | Lew Rockwell
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tl9lS5k7H5M

    Also, when you say, “There should be money as substitute for barter not money as substitute for debt”, you’re missing Tom’s point: For Austrian Economists, real money *IS* a barter good which HAS BECOME the money. So, you wouldn’t be circulating debt as money, but rather actual wealth – though debt could be owed in terms of real money.

  • guest

    Bait-and-Switch: Ellen Brown Announces That “QE2 IS the Populist Solution.” Her Followers Just Sit There.
    http://www.garynorth.com/public/7303.cfm

    In my November 22 article announcing Ellen Brown’s defection to the Federal Reserve, I wrote this:

    If she tries to defend herself by saying, “This is consistent with what I have always said,” then she is dumber than dirt, or else she thinks her followers are dumber than dirt.

    She responded on November 24 with a long article saying that this was no defection.

    The Federal Reserve is finally using its “quantitative easing” (QE) tool to good purpose, and I’m endorsing that, not just for our central bank but for any central bank anywhere that would be so bold.

    She positioned Web of Debt as an anti-FED book. The cover pictures the FED as a spider.

    If we are to believe her now, this was fake from day one. She never cared who does the inflating, she now says. If Bernanke will do it, that’s fine with her, she now says.

    But what about her followers? They joined her because she was the most visible opponent of the Federal Reserve who was not a gold coin standard person, i.e., not an Austrian School critic of the FED. She seemed to have all the answers. She had that neat book cover, with the FED as a spider. But now, in just four days, she says there is no big difference between the FED’s fiat money and Congress’s fiat money (Greenbacks). The seeming differences, she says, “amount to the same thing.”

  • guest

    So, each individual has to keep spending on things he or she doesn’t need?

    Individuals are the ones funding government, you know. The whole point of choosing to be a citizen of a country is so they, AS AN INDIVIDUAL, benefit.

    If government isn’t serving the individual, then it’s time for that individual to stop paying for it.

  • guest

    Our government doesn’t have the authority to “create” money. It has the authority to find out what weight and fineness of gold and silver coins people voluntarily choose to use, and then to mint coins of the same weight and fineness.

    It has never had the authority to arbitrarily decide what the money will be:

    Federalist 10
    http://constitution.org/fed/federa10.htm

    The influence of factious leaders may kindle a flame within their particular States, but will be unable to spread a general conflagration through the other States. A religious sect may degenerate into a political faction in a part of the Confederacy; but the variety of sects dispersed over the entire face of it must secure the national councils against any danger from that source. A rage for paper money, for an abolition of debts, for an equal division of property, or for any other improper or wicked project, will be less apt to pervade the whole body of the Union than a particular member of it; in the same proportion as such a malady is more likely to taint a particular county or district, than an entire State.

    “What is Constitutional Money?” with Edwin Vieira — Ron Paul Money Lecture Series, Pt 2/3
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6gMkKmQSW4

  • Scott Baker

    Ron Paul is wrong (See Bill Stiil’s comments on his fellow presidential candidate’s position on how he misquotes the constitution, among others). And Madison and the Founders had a much more lengthy debate on this than your cherry-picked quote implies. It took months of wrangling before they put in the admittedly sparse phrase “coin Money” (case structure in the original, and important too) in Article 1, Section 8. See also Natelson, Robert G. “The coinage clause in the constitution” for a more in depth discussion of this clause.

    The constitution DOES allow the government to “coin Money” as it says it does, as Lincoln actually DID, and as was continued until 1996 with U.S. Notes (last issuance in 1972).

    Of course this power can be abused, and the Founders knew that from the Civil War (less acknowledged is how the British massively counterfeited the continental, until it wasn’t worth, well…a “Continental”). The Constitution was our country’s second attempt at a unifying document, and by 1789, when it was ratified, we were in a very different situation from when the Revolution was fought, or even from when the original Articles of Confederation were drawn up. By 1789, the Founders and many rich people, were afraid the States would print their own currencies, and thereby inflate away the value of their bond holdings, and so they wanted to be sure the constitution didn’t allow Congress to do the same. That notwithstanding, they also recognized that without the power to create money on its own, that power would go to private banks, and that had its own set of perils (as we now see), so they allowed an escape clause to “coin Money” in there, in addition to the power to tax and borrow (personally, I and most Greenbackers, would like to see less or no borrowing, and a lot more Greenbacking, since the latter would not feed an already bloated parasite class of rent-seekers).

  • Scott Baker

    Ellen’s point, which those of us in the PBI (like me) discuss to the point of exhaustion, is that the Fed has done for the banking system what the gov’t could do for the economy as a whole – “coin Money.” The Fed really DID rescue the banks, and even got the economy to limp along, though it would do a whole lot better if there was more spending by EITHER the private sector or the government. In the absence of the former, or I should say, given the rewards for NOT spending and for speculating instead by the Fed and by gov’t taxation policies, the gov’t should spend on its own, preferably without increasing the debt. The only way to do that, without raising taxes too, is with debt-free money. Yes, the whole tax system needs radical reform, but not along the lines you propose, just cutting across the board. We should substitute a Land Value Tax for just about everything else (Rent on Land (properly understood to be ALL of nature’s resources), is over 1/3 of GDP, enough to run a fiscally responsible gov’t). A Land Value Tax would eliminate Land booms and busts like the one we just had too.
    Meanwhile, to get people back to work, create FDR-type public works programs and fund them with debt-free money so as not to fatten up the unproductive rent-seeking class even more.

  • http://plenarchist.wordpress.com/ plenarchist

    >> it’s certainly the idea underpinning An-Cap thinking

    It is philosophically but without definition, such an outcome cannot be assured.

    >> effectively on the road to worldwide legislating since the population on Earth is ever growing.

    That’s already happened just not under one authority. Is there a single inhabited place on the planet where there is no law? Some places might appear to us as lawless (people are quick to point out Somalia) but even those places have “laws” i.e. somebody’s got a set of rules to follow and a gun to back them up.

    Can the laws of humanity – all of humanity – be reduced to a single simple set of principles that could be universal and then abolish all new public law making? (Private law via contracts would continue.) And have this happen globally? Why not? Is it so unthinkable?

    I see this as the positive outcome of two possible outcomes for humanity – equal freedom via immutable principle-based law or extinction. Rapidly advancing technology in the hands of a political class will be our undoing if we can’t get it away from them. Abolishing the political class is quickly becoming a matter of self-preservation…

    So why not completely abolish law making and adopt the principle of equal freedom… in immutable law? Seems like the logical endpoint not only for people who want their freedom but – via social Spencerism – the assured means of continued human evolution. A singularity of law rather than the chaos of arbitrary laws multiplied a million times over.

    What can we expect with globalization, advancing technology and increasing specialization if we allow law factories (legislatures and parliaments) to continue pumping out arbitrary new laws? Chaos, disorder, gross injustice and devolution. Aren’t we seeing this today?

    Immutable principle-based law promoting equal freedom would seem to be the only rational solution for a peaceful and prosperous future for humanity.

  • borsuk

    You mean you’re a statist scum? Ah, than GTFO. And take your mafia model with you. Thanks in advance.

  • Wyzical

    First of all the writer was too wordy. Wordy people are usually trying to confuse their argument with smoke and mirrors. I’m suspicious.

    Using any commodity as a standard for money is fraught with difficulty as history shows us. The value of any commodity is subject to the laws of supply and demand and cannot be fixed. A standard is a value that can be fixed in stone, the value of any commodity will change with market conditions.

    Time has proven to be the best standard for money. An hour of work will always be an hour of work, no matter the output of the worker. The old adage that time is money has more than just a surface meaning. Hitler used the work time standard to issue credit money that quickly rebuilt the German economy after the Mark became worthless due to hyperinflation.

    The primary problem with the gold standard is that the world’s supply of gold is controlled and dominated by the Rothschild World Central Bank Cartel. They would love nothing more than to return to phase one of their fractional reserve a.k.a. counterfeit scheme where money is backed by a commodity that they happen to monopolize.

    The writer also fails to mention or is apparently uninformed about the success of innovative alternative currencies such as the Berkshare and the B-note, which are issued not by Central Banksters or Governments, but by a coalition of community businesses. This is the new mammal of monetary science.

    A central bank is a private money monopoly with power to counterfeit the public credit of a nation. They create money out of thin air. The best way to de-centralize this money monopoly is by creating credit based alternative currencies on the state and local level. Truth is what we need. Not propaganda.

  • Anonymous

    Why the Greenbackers are Right and Tom Woods is Wrong

    I come from a background of experimental science where theories are
    formed and disproven routinely. In economics, I think theories would
    come and go much quicker if the relevant experiments could only be
    carried out. We can perform economic experiments in our heads all day,
    but until the experiments are actually tried in real life, economic
    theory is fairly meaningless in my opinion. This is why I am sometimes
    hesitant to criticize or argue with people who view monetary reform
    differently than I do — as long as we are on the same side, as long as
    we want to end the Fed and fix the main causes of our economy’s malaise,
    I don’t care very much your preferred method for doing so.

    I am strongly supportive of return to the gold standard, especially a
    modernized ‘basket of commodities’ approach. I think this would be much
    better than our current system for a number of reasons, but I also
    think this system would end in a spectacular failure. A very instructive
    failure. The failure of a modern gold standard would hopefully show
    everyone that the only way to ensure economic prosperity is the adoption
    of a debt-free, elastic fiat currency.

    If I’m wrong, and the gold standard works great, I would be very
    happy. I would become one of the biggest proponents of the gold standard
    around, so I am admittedly a little hurt when Tom Woods calls my
    opinions “wrongheaded” and says my “naive confidence” is “beneath the
    dignity of a free people.”

    I would hope that supporters of the gold standard would lend me the
    same courtesy and support a debt-free government-run fiat system, -if
    such a system were tried and proven to work- just as I would support a
    gold standard under the same conditions. I can’t help but think there is
    an ideological blindness at work here, and an irrational hatred for
    anything government-run, that would prevent acceptance of such a system
    by some libertarians, including Tom Woods. Being ideological in this way
    is not helpful, in my opinion.

    I know I am somewhat of an anomaly, a Ron Paul supporter who also
    happens to be a socialist, but Tom Woods seems to think there are many
    more like me out there, so much so that he devotes a fairly long column
    to attacking our ideology. I feel compelled to respond.

    I want to start by saying that there is nothing wrong with fiat money
    per se. It has worked perfectly well, in many times in world history,
    and I think even the most ardent goldbug would admit that fiat system
    could work well, if those in charge of it were completely trustworthy.
    Fiat money functions perfectly well as money, in all the ways that money
    should: it is durable, divisible, serves as a unit of account, and so
    on. What concerns Tom Woods primarily, I think, is that this system is
    ripe for abuse. I won’t be dealing with this charge in the rest of my
    response (because I just looked it over and it is long enough). Maybe on
    another day. I will say that, yes, it is a concern, but that our
    current system (and even a gold-standard system) can be, has been, or is
    being abused gravely.

    Most of Tom Woods’ piece attempts to disprove the major problems
    greenbackers like me have with our current system, and he does a good
    job, in my opinion, of eagerly defending the status quo as much as it is
    possible to do so. Still, his argument is highly misleading and mostly
    wrong.

    It takes him many paragraphs, but he finally gets around to his proof
    that 1) in a 100% reserve gold-standard system it is possible to pay
    all the debts in the system at once, and 2) the bankers will not wind up
    with all the money, either. I agree with both of these statements on
    the surface, but maintain they are highly misleading. Let’s start with
    #1.

    It’s certainly possible to pay all the debts in this 100% reserve
    gold-standard system, if only because there will be so many fewer loans
    made! Our modern economy relies on credit to keep the wheels turning,
    and going to such an inelastic system as a 100% reserve gold-standard
    would surely destroy any modern economy. This would mean shutting off
    the vast, vast majority of loans in this country. Credit would dry up,
    and we would be reduced to an artificial poverty, in spite of our
    incredible industrial and technological capacity. There just wouldn’t be
    enough money and credit to go around to keep our economic engine
    running. Whatever system we choose, it absolutely must allow for
    creditworthy people to receive credit, otherwise it unnecessarily
    hinders the economy.

    #2 is also highly misleading and essentially wrong. It is technically
    true that the bankers would not end up with all the money. As Woods
    says, “presumably even bankers need to buy things at one point or
    another, so the money would be recirculated into the economy in any
    case.” So they wouldn’t end up with -all- the money, just the vast
    majority of it. The entire economy would revolve around meeting the
    needs of bankers, because they are the only people with money to spend,
    the rest of us being reduced to fighting over their scraps.

    But he continues, “The Greenbacker objection assumes that demand for
    loans is infinite. Like zombies, we’ll continue to demand loans no
    matter what the interest rate, and banks will always be able to find
    more people willing to take on more credit. [...] To induce us to accept
    an increasing supply of credit, the banks will have no choice, given
    the law of demand, but to lower the rate of interest. Two consequences
    follow. As they earn less in interest, they will be less able to afford
    to pay their customers competitive interest rates on savings accounts
    and on financial products like CDs. And as those customers turn away
    from the banking system in search of higher yields outside banking, the
    banks will have less to lend. These twin pressures place an upper limit
    on the amount of credit the banks can extend. So you can breathe easy.
    The banks won’t wind up with all the money after all.”

    All Woods is doing here is explaining why his first point is
    misleading and why the quantity of loans would shrivel up drastically
    under this system. Either way, I’m not breathing easy when the quantity
    of money and credit shrinks drastically and probably well over 90% of
    what is left is in the pockets of bankers.

    In the remainder of the piece, Woods goes so far as to actually
    defend the Fed and the current banking system against the arguments of
    money reformers. He claims that all debts in our current system are
    payable at once, which they clearly are not, and I believe Ron Paul
    would agree with me on this. Where would the government come up with the
    money to pay back the national debt all at once, without printing it?
    For those who own homes, are most capable of paying back their mortgage
    immediately? Can most students just decide to pay back their student
    debt all at once by “living within their means.” Of course not. There is
    simply not enough money in the system to pay back all debts at once, a
    basic fact that Woods ignores.

    Woods then tries to use the argument of recirculation to defend the
    current system. He claims that bank profits will recirculate or trickle
    down back to the people, who can then gather the money to make their
    next interest payment by saving and working hard. Why bankers don’t need
    to work to make money, he never discusses. But average people are
    supposed to work, and work very hard, while foregoing the consumption
    and leisure that their work allows the higher-ups to indulge in.

    Woods claims that “when people pay banks interest on their loans,
    these interest payments themselves will in large measure be spent into
    the economy by employees of the bank” and that this will be enough to
    allow the commoners to make their interest payments. Woods must believe
    that banks pay their employees very well indeed, and that their CEOs and
    executives don’t hoard most of the profits to themselves, where it will
    sit in interest-bearing accounts, stocks, and derivatives that take
    even -more- money out of the productive economy and into their pockets.
    Yes of course, “in large measure” this money will be recirculated.
    Certainly. I don’t think Woods understands some basic facts about modern
    life if he really believes this statement.

    Yet even if true, even if there is some recirculation, this is not
    enough. The Fed and Congress must continually pump literally trillions
    of dollars back into the banks and the economy through QE, low interest
    rates, and deficit spending for our system to be functional at all. This
    fact was not discussed in Wood’s piece. Perhaps he thinks that we could
    cut off the deficit and QE entirely, and raise interest rates without
    causing any negative impact on the economy at all? To think, he was
    accusing -me- of having naive confidence.

    We are slaves to an ever-increasing spiral of debt, and Wood’s
    arguments do not hold water. The only escape I can see is through a
    debt-free, elastic money system. But I’m happy to try other systems. The
    only system I am completely against is the status quo, that Woods spent
    half of this article defending.

  • http://www.facebook.com/henry.hollenberg Henry Hollenberg

    A reformed greenbacker here, nice article. I finally abandoned my position when I realized that you just can’t trust anyone (especially the government) to consistently act wisely on another persons behalf. While greenbacks could “theoretically” work if you carefully control their issue, you can’t expect a group to consistently act for the good of all. Only the individual will consistently act in his own best interest. Therefore the individual should be free to choose the type of money that best suits their needs.

    Sorry to my old friends the greenbackers, if the people choose gold, then gold is money, and quoting the constitution or some other scholarly work won’t change that reality.

    BUT, I would be remiss if I did not bring Tom Woods to task for letting the FED off a bit to lightly. So let’s dig into the interest question one more time with a few observations:

    Definitions:

    Simple Debt: An obligation for payment which has been incurred, you owe the kid who mowed your lawn.

    Obligatory Debt: You have a commitment to make a payment in the future, re-tooling a plant or expanding medicare rolls.

    Monetary Debt: The “other” column in the banker’s spreadsheet created in tandem with and in a 1:1 relationship to Money. Anti-Money, money’s self-destruct mechanism.

    Untouchables: work above the line in the protected, (LTL), economy, allowed to create money and compete for it, escape bankruptcy, ie to big to fail or jail

    Expendables: work below the line in the real or voluntary economy, allowed to compete for money only, subject to the rule of law.

    A) Opportunity Cost, ie Harvest Effect.

    1) The guys lending the money usually are not living hand to mouth or they wouldn’t be in that business in the first place.

    2) The guys borrowing the money frequently are on more of a shoe-string budget or they would have been able to raise the requisite capital without a loan.

    3) The key feature of interest is that unlike capital it is not destroyed on loan repayment, and on this critical point I agree with Tom.

    4) The borrower’s interest payments or MANDATORY.

    5) The lender’s spending of interest income is VOLUNTARY.

    And here is the rub, the lender has quite an advantage on the borrower in opportunity cost since considering #1 and #5 he can afford to “sit” on the interest. And if he could convince a number of his other “cartel” members that it would be in their interest to do the same he could achieve an overall capital drain from the real economy, create a depression and harvest assets at fabulous savings from the real economy.

    B) Capitalization of interest.

    This gambit allows Monetary Debt to grow in excess of money and therefore will actually consume or destroy the otherwise indestructible interest payments. It works like this. The borrower find’s themselves short of funds for their next loan payment. They call the bank and ask for terms. The bank says no problem we will add your payment (principle and interest) to the end of your loan and you can “skip” this payment. Well ain’t that swell. The interest that you owed just go converted into Monetary Debt without any counterbalancing creation of money. Presto chango we just added to the aggregate total of monetary debt in the system. And this new monetary debt can and will eat up somebody’s interest payment somewhere down the line. With this little trick there truly is no escape from the harvest. I have not seen much discussion of it at all much anyone attempt to quantify it’s utilization.

    C) Instability

    A system of money that net’s out to 0 currency if everyone pays off there loans is just dumb. And unstable. And dumb. And unfair to those that don’t happen to own a politician or two who can make adjustments to the law to protect their mega-banking corporation. It’s collapse actually accelerates under stress, ie a negative feedback system. The guys that designed this system new their math and wanted to make sure that when this dog went down it was dead. When it is time for the harvest, a harvest it will be.

    D) Transparency

    All the above is based on rules they don’t consistently follow and the sketchy reporting of aggregates that they won’t come completely clean on. There could well be quite a bit more shenanigans going on that we are not aware of.

    E) Geese and Ganders

    They have used the above gambits + lawless class to create a whole host of financial instruments (Derivitaves, MBS, CDS, Repos, etc) that would land any of us in the real world/economy in the nearest jail in a New York Minute.